[STULER]

Thank you NERO!!!

[Wheel]

I don't perceive riding a motorcycle to be a "sport."

For me, it is a means of transportation. Sure there is "sport" in transport, but that's irrelevent Sure, it's fun, and sporty. But riding a bike on the street should never be considered a sport. That's when accidents like those depicted on that site happen!

[soulpatch]

Wheel..... You ride a bike around NYC/NJ/PA and it is a sport. A sport of dodging cagers constantly....

[whitecl0ver]

Wheel..... You ride a bike around NYC/NJ/PA and it is a sport. A sport of dodging cagers constantly....

same here, seems like every non driving kid decided they just had to go to school in Tallahassee FL....ehh i guess some of them stay after graduation.....because there are non driving ppl of all ages here....worst driving city i have ever lived in.

[newdude]

I kinda didn't like the approach but whatever.
it does kinda feel *******ish
like it's more against bikers, than it is against wearing gear. that's what i got out of it.
yeah, unfortunately there's a lot of squids, but what you gonna do?
it's alright. People make decisions, unfortunately everyone suffers.
yet, someone will change their mind once they decide they're tired to live the way they do. not before.

and i dont think they're pushing anyone...just chill bro.

[uno]

Yup, that will turn your stomach.

Also, most people that are wanting a bike should look at that before buying one... just to see the risk involved. A lot of the fatalities on there looked like they were due to people in cars, not the bikers.

[loudnlow7484]

I think it should be refigured as a protest against careless cagers.... since most of the accidents on there were cage-caused.

[Free Coffee]

Well, there's the whole "chicks dig scars" mentality- I guess that site kinda went the other way...I'm atgatt, not that it would prevent me from dying if I planted my head into the back of a semi at 120...Seems like the site is as much about people doing stupid shyte as it is people wearing stupid shyte.

Edit: To be clear- this does not mean that I don't do stupid shyte. I do it plenty.

[BigFish]

This isn't something to be worried about.

Let's talk about relative safety. If you are inexperienced as a rider, unfamiliar with your bike, or drive crazy you are more likely to die on a motorcycle than other riders. Gear is so obvious...I'll let others cover that one. Here's 3 alternatives to the way the website thinks about this.

i) Scooters vs Motorcycles
2005 mortality (from http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...51351&page=2):
Cars/light trucks: 78/million
Scooter mortality: 129/million
Motorcycles: : 645/million

Motorcycles are generally designed to be maneurverable while scooters are made to be light and economical. This isn't true of all scooters, especially some of the newer ones. Generally though a scooter has smaller tires which make it less stable, stop slower and accelerate slower. In general it's harder to accelerate, swerve or brake to avoid an accident on a scooter. So if a motorcycle is better at avoiding accidents why are scooters statistically safer? Two reasons 1) motorcycles can go faster, sometimes a lot faster than scooters. If you wreck on a scooter going 30 mph you'll suffer much less than if you're taking a 50mph corner at 135mph. 2) Daredevels would never bother with a scooter and would instead go straight to the motorcycle.

If you put only scooter riders on motorcycles would motorcycles have the same mortality rate as cars? I think so.

ii) Perception doesn't reflect usage and reality:
"A bus with 40 passengers goes one mile without an accident, and it is counted as 40 safe miles traveled, compared to your one mile. Then, add in the fact that motorcycles simply aren't ridden the number of miles in a year that a car is used. In fact, we average only about 30% of automobile usage. Oh, and they count dirt bike miles, too, and ATVs, which obviously results in a lot more accidents "per mile traveled." Ever see someone go off-roading in the family sedan, or better yet, a fully-loaded school bus? "

(from: http://www.motorcycle.com/how-to/the...list-3402.html)

iii) Inexperienced riders
Motorcycle rider mortality rates in one study were about 0.08% for bikes less than 4 years old, 0.054% bikes 4-6 years old, and 0.029% for bikes 7-11 years old. Chances are greater that you've been riding for years if you have an older bike.

Summary: If you're new to riding take the MSF course, wear your gear, and ride within your limits. Don't drive scared, do be informed, smart and prepared. Most of all though have fun.

[ct3]

Jesus! make me want to ride at about 20 miles an hour

[Free Coffee]

Jesus! make me want to ride at about 20 miles an hour

Scout went down at >20...still peels the 'ole skin right off. Kinda like jumping off a golf cart onto an unlubricated sandpaper slip 'n slide.

[Shifty]

GAH I hadn't looked at that site for a few months... it's good to have those images in the back of your mind before throwing a leg over.

[katman05]

That site gets posted here every once and a while, I agree with you whitecl0ver.

yeah every time some one tells me to be careful my response is "I'm always careful is the other 90 million dumb asses i'm worried about"

[shodog]

There is some seriously grisly stuff on that site.

[Hegmann1391]

Alright, that was pretty wild and scary stuff. I actually just passed a girl today while I was riding that was wearing a helmet, long sleeve t-shirt, and really short shorts, and me in my helmet, riding jacket, boots, long jeans, and gloves. I couldn't help but use some rather unflattering words to describe her.

I then smoked a butterfly with my helmet and watched it drop dead to the road, but that's got nothing to do with gear.