I found a new anti-puncture product - It has worked!

[Gareth_UK]

Hi guys.

I was looking at my chain 2 days ago, and to my horror found 1" of a 2" wire nail hanging out of my rear wheel!

Tyre was at about 30PS!, so I hadn't lost that much air...

I had been riding with it though cos it was bent at 90degrees and laying with the direction of the tyre roll...

I didn't want to buy another tyre again since I got the bike (last July), the last tyre had glass from an accident I passed! This tyre is almost new!

A friend of mine told me about Ultraseal http://www.ultraseal.com

It seems to have done the job, and rated as a preminant repair tested to 150 MPH+. I pulled the nail out, and now I just have a really small hole with a slight pink/purple substance in it.

I've stuck it in my front tyre now (as I got a big bottle).

Time will tell, and I'll keep an eye on the pressure, but its held up for the last couple of days.

Gareth.

[timbales]

Men that sounds great! How much did you paid for it? did you ordered directly from them or a local dealer?

[Gareth_UK]

I paid £29.00, but that was a Honda stealership (closest place that had in stock, I had a nail so needed asap).

I've found on the net £20 for "25 units" which is enough for my 160/60 17" rear + front with some left over.

Not sure in the USA, but it seems to be franchised out to distributers...

Another point is that it is water based. So no real issues when changing tyres. It should just rinse out with water. The only thing is you'll have to buy some more.

[The CyberPoet]

I would be skeptical at best with any liquid or foam tire sealant in a motorcycle tire. Although it may indeed hold pressure, even distribution across an arched tire face (motorcycle tires) would be difficult to establish and maintain at best. When it comes down to my tires, I want to be 100% secure that they are going to do the job intended and not risk myself unnecesssarily... Just my two cents worth.

Cheers,
=-= The CyberPoet

[Gareth_UK]

I would be skeptical at best with any liquid or foam tire sealant in a motorcycle tire. Although it may indeed hold pressure, even distribution across an arched tire face (motorcycle tires) would be difficult to establish and maintain at best. When it comes down to my tires, I want to be 100% secure that they are going to do the job intended and not risk myself unnecesssarily... Just my two cents worth.

Cheers,
=-= The CyberPoet

Fair point...

I did read a newsletter from the head technical boke from BMW motorcycles ( I assume UK) comparing across the market and he was singing it's praises...

I'll try and dig it out on the net...

[Gareth_UK]

The BMW Club Technical Officer

From The June 2002 Journal

(reprinted with the kind permission of Mike Fishwick)




Ultraseal Tyre Sealant – Can you afford to live without it?

by Mike Fishwick

While punctures are now far rarer than they were, say thirty years ago, they remain one of the most common problems, which afflict the motoring public. Of course BMW claim that they only occur every 93,000 miles, this being used as justification for the absence of a spare wheel on their M Roadster etc. To give any odds at all on a random event is something, which no self-respecting bookie would ever dream of! My experience has been that punctures can occur at any time – ask anyone living on a new housing development where nails and screws etc abound. All that one can guarantee is that punctures will usually take place at highly inconvenient times.

Of course, in the days before tubeless tyres became a universal fitment, and all motorcyclists were self-relient, it was easy enough to fit a spare inner tube by the roadside. This made a complete repair, and the damaged tube could be patched at leisure for future use. While many tubeless tyres can be fitted with tubes, (e.g. on Monolever Boxers), most modern machines use rim and tyre sizes which prevent such a repair being made.

There is also the problem of safety while carrying out such a repair, for in many places – even lanes with high hedges – a stationary motorcycle and its rider may not been seen, particularly at dusk, until it’s too late. Remember that most car drivers drive to the limit of what can currently be seen, and make no allowances for the unexpected.

Temporary repair sealants, such as the various aerosol – packaged products are a quick way to become mobile again, but can only be used after coming to a stop. They are not suitable for prolonged use, and attach themselves tenaciously to the inside of the tyre casing. In most cases their composition is such that tyre specialists will refuse to repair a tyre, which has been internally coated with such a sealant.

In the case of ultra-low profile tyres such as the ‘Z’ rated types found on many modern motorcycles a flat tyre could be a very expensive experience. The fitting of a vulcanised plug is not always possible if the puncture is close to the sidewall, and a limit of one repair per tyre is usually enforced. Even a gentle stop from speed can cause severe damage to the sidewalls, not to mention the wheel rims.

Even without a puncture it is possible to experience rapid deflation, such almost happened to John Coleman during our return from the FIM Rally at Barcelona, when he ran over a rock while climbing towards the Col de I’Iseran in the French Alps. The front rim of his R80 deformed to such an extent that the edge of the tyre bead was visible over a length of about two inches. A fraction of an inch more and his front tyre would have deflated immediately, providing a rapid one-way trip to Bonneval – sur –Arc, about a thousand feet below!

The answer to all these problems would obviously be that of a puncture – resistant tyre, but in the absence of such wonders a good alternative is to coat the inside of the tyre with a tyre sealant which will always remain sufficiently fluid to fill the puncture as soon as it occurs. It goes without saying that it should not disturb wheel balance, and be capable of being easily removed if necessary.

Several such products have been marketed over the years, mainly directed at the motorcycle market. While tyre manufacturers do not recommend their use, no research has ever found sealants to have a detrimental effect. In every case of major damage to the front tyre, for example, the rider has maintained control and stopped safely.

While most of them worked well, all had disadvantages. The usual problem was that after prolonged use at high speed the centrifugal force caused the sealant to separate and so lose its ability to seal for long periods. This was coupled with the extreme difficulty in removing the sealant in order to affect a permanent repair, so that a new tyre was the only effective remedy.

Against this background Ultraseal appears to be the complete answer. It is not a new product, having been used in the United States for many years, and is approved by bodies as diverse as the U.S Postal Service, NASA and the American Armed Forces.

It certainly seals well – I have personally attacked a motorcycle tyre with a spike until my arm grew tired, at the end of which pressure loss was negligible. After two weeks of such treatment by the public during a motorcycle show, the tyre had more puncture marks than tread, but still maintained it’s pressure.

Ultraseal is claimed to be capable of repairing punctures made by objects up to 6 mm in diameter for the life of the tyre, and in the event of a larger area of damage it will provide protection from rapid deflation. It is water soluble in it’s uncured state, and I have seen it being easily washed out of a tyre casing to enable the fitting of a vulcanised plug.

Other properties include the ability to virtually eliminate pressure loss, even during long-term storage, and also to extend tyre life by up to about 30% due to improved heat transfer from the tread area to the wheel. Many riders find this increase to be in the order of 50%. This is probably why tyre manufacturers do not recommend its use!

Wheel balance is not upset, and Asiatic Petroleum (Div of Shell Laboratories), and Dunlop GmbH have tested it at speeds of up to 150 mph, and a US government authorised tyre-testing laboratory to 40,000miles over a 2-year period, after which it remained liquid and still able to provide a permanent repair.

All things considered Ultraseal appears to be the answer to a motorcyclist’s prayers, and a telephone call to the UK distributors in Exeter, (0870 241 3730), will find your closest agent or stockist. Many motorcycle dealers stock Ultraseal in D.I.Y. graduated dispenser bottles for home use.

A measured volume of Ultraseal – appropriate to the size of the tyre – is injected through the valve body, the small pressure loss being corrected afterwards. The initial quarter mile or so results in a strong imbalance effect which gradually reduces as centrifugal force spreads the sealant over the inside of the tyres in a uniform coating.

Although formulated for use in tubeless tyres, Ultraseal can also be used with inner tubes, as Cynthia Milton and John Adams demonstrated during their recent trip to Pakistan. John’s R100GS rear tyre was badly damaged by a two-inch long bolt, but retained pressure well enough to be fitted with an inner tube later. Cynthia was unaware of any problems, but when replacing her R80GS rear tyre after returning home she found the marks of 12 punctures which had been sealed without her even being aware of them! To cover 20,000 miles on one set of tyres through some of the worst roads in the Middle East and Asia without having to even remove the wheels is sufficient testimony for Ultraseal.

I have used it my car tyres for almost 20,000 miles, and can also confirm its claims

When one adds the cost of a simple puncture it can be a major problem. Assuming that one manages to stop without injury or damage, there is the nightmare of recovery, (often with additional delay because a motorcycle is involved), at horrendous cost if you are not a member of a suitable organisation. The recovery operation may itself cause damage to your motorcycle if it is badly secured to the ‘spectacle’ type frame designed to support the front wheels of a car, and may only take you to the nearest garage or service area.

It may then be found that the sidewalls and perhaps also the rims are damaged. Then there is the problem of finding a tyre specialist who will repair or change your tyre, not to mention the delay in obtaining a motorcycle tyre of the required size and type, particularly at the weekend. (One weekends in rural France one is simply resigned to waiting until Monday!) It may even be necessary to stay in a hotel for the night.

Then comes the cost of the tyre itself, labour charges for changing it, and also to remove and replace the wheel, (Goldwing owners weep at the thought of this!) There is also the general hassles of being a motorcyclist in a system designed for car drivers. This can be expressed in terms of further damage to the rims, lack of dynamic balancing, and a general bodging by those who are unused to the more specialised and delicate requirements of a motorcycle.

A simple puncture could cost you a full day, and from two to several hundred pounds – can you afford not to use Ultraseal?

Mike Fishwick
Technical Officer

[The CyberPoet]

Interesting read. I carry a standard puncture repair kit with me on journeys, the type with pre-adhesive coated rubber strips, a reamer and an insertion tool. If this stuff works as promised, I'm sure it would be better (the problem with plug kits is getting pressure back into the tire afterwards). On the other hand, I feel that getting the object out and having a clean hole to plug is critical to the well-being of a Z-rated tire in such situations; if the sealant fills the hole, I can't ensure the plug will hold; if the item that punctured it remains there (sealed in place), it will cause a localized heat issue in the rubber around the hole.

Either way, I replace my Z-rate radials at the first reasonable opportunity after plugging (obviously that usually means back at home after the replacement I've mail-ordered shows up, rather than laid up in some hotel waiting for the local bike shop to open). With a lower rated bias tire, or a tire specifically designed for patching, I wouldn't have many qualms about it (note: under UK law, it is now illegal to patch Z-rated radials).

Cheers,
=-= The CyberPoet

[MIBagentQ]

I was forced to patch my nearly-new rear 160/60 Metzeller Z6 tire, is that going to be a problem cyber? I used the same plug/reamer type plug that you carry around (thank god I had one in my bike at the time)

economics prevent me from buying another tire right now

[The CyberPoet]

I was forced to patch my nearly-new rear 160/60 Metzeller Z6 tire, is that going to be a problem cyber? I used the same plug/reamer type plug that you carry around (thank god I had one in my bike at the time)

economics prevent me from buying another tire right now

Opinions vary highly. I don't like riding on plugged/patched Z-rated radials, but you do what you've got to do...

I've put 1500 miles on a plugged Metzeler Z4 (the precursor to the Z6) before I got to change it during a road trip, and had no problems... Roofing nail, so it wasn't a very large hole...

I would think the size of the hole and the location would the most crucial part of the decision:
Sidewall or overlapping onto the sidewall: replace immediately, don't ride.
Front tire: replace soonest; the front takes a lot of distortion & shear stresses under braking.
Rear tire center of tread: small hole probably be fine for thousands of miles, bigger hole, replace as soon as feasible/convenient.

Mostly, I'd say if you literally can't afford to change it, then you can't afford it (bottom line, save your pennies). Keep a good eye on your tire pressures (pump it up as needed, and check literally every ride-out), keep your speed approximately in the speed limits (no triple-digit speeds), wear your gear (just in case), and visually check the tire plug area every time you ride out (if you see any discoloration, blue or purple, around the plug, there is a localized heat-build-up issue and the rubber around the plug is breaking down -- stop riding on it).

Cheers
=-= The CyberPoet

[Gareth_UK]

I've looked more into this product, and I havn't found anything against it that would sway me from it.

Of course the ultimate and underlaying factor must be safety, but this product, although not a miricle cure to all issues, certianly looks to be a very posative move. The only questionable feedback I've read was regading balancing. I've read all the blurb, and it stands to reason that the gel would collect a a point of inbalance and slightly amplify the effect. But cases like these are far and few between (across the whole demographic). I've got a pink spot on my tyre now wehre it has sealed it up. As a motorist, you are supposed to check tyres as a matter of course, so at the time of finding the pink spot, its time for a judgement call and to think "if I was on the motorway doing 70mph+, what would have happened without this stuff in there"...

People have also said that it wont stop something cutting the side wall etc. It isn't designed to protect from that anyway!?!

I for one believe 'most' of the hype and believe it has passed the certifications they are quoting. Sure alot of their secondary claims are just logical byproducts of having a meterial in the tyre of that nature, not by design. If I designed it and found other small advantages, I'd shout about them...

Can the US postal service, Navy, Marines etc. be so wrong?

I'm happy with the results...

[MIBagentQ]

Not sure what made the hole as it already fell out when I got to my bike after work. I hope this keeps me running for now, just in case I think I'll build that small air compressor I've been meaning to make and keep it in my bike

[suzukisportrider2004]

i think you can get a plug that the put in from the inside at a tire place

[The CyberPoet]

Not sure what made the hole as it already fell out when I got to my bike after work. I hope this keeps me running for now, just in case I think I'll build that small air compressor I've been meaning to make and keep it in my bike

Jebus, that's a serious looking hole!
That's the type of hole that would have me replacing the tire as soon as feasible (i.e. - as soon as I could get a replacement in) because I know that thing mangled some of the belts underneath pretty seriously... How many rubber strips did it take to seal that up?

Cheers
=-= The CyberPoet

[MIBagentQ]

actually just one strip

the hole isnt that big, though the imprint left by the head of the screw/nail/whatever it was is big. I'd say about 1-1.5mm in diameter. the picture is after i rode to the gas station to pump air back into the bike and i guess the road caused the rubber to mushroom.

I left about a 1/2" of rubber sticking out of the tire when i drove off. Perhaps I should have trimmed it down a bit more but i figured trimming too little was better than trimming too much.

[The CyberPoet]

I left about a 1/2" of rubber sticking out of the tire when i drove off. Perhaps I should have trimmed it down a bit more but i figured trimming too little was better than trimming too much.

Once it's dry (overnight), trim it down the rest of the way. It'll keep the road from tugging on the strip and dislodging it (rare, but it does happen at times).

Cheers,
=-= The CyberPoet