Katriders Rally 2007 - Deals Gap, NC
 

Welcome to the KatRiders.com forums.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.

Go Back   KatRiders.com > Suzuki Katana Forums > Riding Tips

Riding Tips First bike? Old rider that learned a new lesson?
Post your questions, tips and experiences here so we can all learn from them!

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-11-2005, 09:42 AM   #1
zleviticus
Who let the riff raff in?
Supporting Member
 
zleviticus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 1,487
eBay ID: freeziepop

Default MSF:ERC and BRC one man's opinion.

Well I have now taken both the MSF Beginner(BRC) and Experienced(ERC) rider courses. Here are my thoughts.

Beginner Excellent for someone who has never been on a bike before and wants to see what it is all about. Also great for someone who has been out of the riding Scene for a long time.

Mine was a three day class. The first day we covered class room work, like TCLOCKS and other acronyms and the affects of drugs and alcohol on your riding. It also covered a lot of items that will be on the exam test later n the class (to get your waiver for the riding portion of the DMV Motorcycle license testing.)

The second day we started basic, this is a motorcycle, these are its controls. We used the clutch to get the bike moving and slowly progressed to riding versus walking the bike. We eventually got to do harder tests of skill like weaving and such.

The last day we improved on what we learned in the prior day and did the old figure 8 in a box, swerving, obstacle avoidance and etc. We ended the day with a skills test and the written test. The whole thing was pretty easy, I thought, because of the slow progression from one skill to the next. To give you an indication on how easy it was I scored 100% on both the written and riding portion of the test. If I can do that anyone can. My background is that I have not ridden a two wheel motorized vehicle in over 16 years. If anything the test gave myself more confidence in riding. Owning your own motorcycle is not required for the class.


Experienced Excellent for someone who has changed bikes to a different class of machine or needs a refresher after a few years.

This was a one day class. The new curriculum contains one motorcycle instruction and on site class room instruction. This is geared more toward those who know how to ride and those who own their own motorcycle. (You use your own motorcycle for the tests and skills tests.) The first part of the day we did basic items so that the instructors could get a feel for what we knew and our experience level. We did simple turns, obstacle avoidance and such. Basiclaly it is just like the Beginner class but without the preliminary stuff and there is not a written test unless you only have your permit. I enjoyed the class only because it allowed me to practice skills I would not normally practice on my bike. Things like U-turns, serving, weaving, and stopping. Our group for the day consisted of a few cruisers, 7 goldwings, babs and I. I must say you can make fun of goldwings all you want but these boys had some skills. The skills test was easy, I did get points taken off for not being fast enough in a turn. Imagine that a sport bike not fast enough in a turn, but hey I passed.

In retro spec, would I have taken the ERC so soon after the BRC? Probably not. However it was nice to practice some skills on my bike in a closed setting. The only issues I had were in the box I was afraid of dropping my bike and scraping my plastics. Even the instructor realized that. All in all it was a good day, HOT, but good. Poor babs had full black leathers on in the scorching sun all day. Our poor kats were feeling the pain by the end of the day with the heat and the bikes being air cooled and all.

for more information on either of these classes and availiblity check out www.msf-usa.org

Cheers!
Z
zleviticus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2005, 02:19 PM   #2
md86
Katastical
 
md86's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: 41035 & 45240
Posts: 22,990
eBay ID: md86dammit

Default

Hey , at least you passed ! So I guess taking it so soon after the BRC wasn't all THAT bad since you passed it , eh ? Kinda glad I bailed then , cause I woulda hated standing around in a parking lot in MY full black leathers all day !
__________________
I am a fluffy lil cuddly lovable bunny , dammit !



Katrider's rally 2011 - md86
md86 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-11-2005, 02:35 PM   #3
zleviticus
Who let the riff raff in?
Supporting Member
 
zleviticus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 1,487
eBay ID: freeziepop

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by md86
Hey , at least you passed ! So I guess taking it so soon after the BRC wasn't all THAT bad since you passed it , eh ? Kinda glad I bailed then , cause I woulda hated standing around in a parking lot in MY full black leathers all day !
Did not matter if I passed or failed I still have my card for insurance purposes form the BRC.
__________________
Help Support Katriders.com via Motorcyclegear.com

"That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness." - Declaration of Independance
zleviticus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-12-2005, 12:29 PM   #4
Babs
Katrider

 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 200

Default

Yes the ERC was well worth doing. It had been over a year since I had taken the BRC so it was a great refresher as well as fine tuning some of the more challenging slow manouvers. I would certainly recommend it to anyone changing bikes. It is a fast and safe way to get familiar with the clutch/throttle dynamics of a new machine.

The three most important take home messages ( one woman's opinion):

1) BOTH brakes at all times people! Regardless of the exercise, points were deducted if the rear brake was not used in unison with the front.

2) Head up! As redundant as it sounds, any problems people had with the tight manouvers were due to looking at the ground in front of them.

3)Always downshift to 1st before coming to a complete stop - that way you are always prepared to move out of the way should the idiot behind you not see you stopping.

It was very, very hot in leathers on Sunday, but thats okay.... because so was one of the instructors ... and that more than made up for the discomfort .. .
Babs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-05-2005, 12:10 PM   #5
Katgirl
Tattooed Angel
 
Katgirl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 2,712

Default

Lets see some pics Babs!!!
Katgirl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-30-2005, 08:38 PM   #6
WildKat
Bring Back the '80s
 
WildKat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: York, PA.
Posts: 13,513
eBay ID: wildkat129

Default

I took the ERC a long time ago, and Im about due for a refresher.. even after riding street bikes 17 years, it never hurts to continue learning and get re-aquainted w/ the MSF again. And besides that you can meet alot of people to ride with there as well.

Its a win-win situation all the way.
__________________
WildKat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2005, 05:41 AM   #7
mrock
Katrider
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 147

Default erc

can you take the ERC class and then get your waiver without taking the BRC class?
mrock is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-01-2005, 04:29 PM   #8
Babs
Katrider

 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 200

Default

I think you can take the ERC without taking the BRC so long as you have your full motorcycle license/endorsement and that way get a reduction on your insurance premium.
Babs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-05-2005, 07:08 PM   #9
Guest
 
Posts: n/a

Default erc

do u think that they would let u take the erc if u dont have a street licence but have a racing licence? seems silly if i had to take a biginers coarse
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-05-2005, 07:36 PM   #10
zleviticus
Who let the riff raff in?
Supporting Member
 
zleviticus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 1,487
eBay ID: freeziepop

Default

You can take the erc if you have your permit for a period of time and have riden more tahn 500 miles or a year. I think those are the requirements.
zleviticus is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Reply

  KatRiders.com > Suzuki Katana Forums > Riding Tips

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Poor-man's jetkit kjcmetal Exhaust & Mod Shop 8 07-07-2008 10:14 PM
Poor man's exhaust Rok_Stars_Bars Katana How-To's & FAQ's 21 10-24-2007 10:43 AM
Poor man's corbi? versionpardner Suzuki Katana Talk 8 05-04-2007 12:14 PM

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:42 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Katriders.com, Copyright ©2004 - 2018