bandit 1200 swingarm swap??

[ratatunabob95]

i was wondering if i could get the specs on the spacers needed? is anyone running this set up with a 200 on a busa wheel?? if so can i see some pics?

[Waltari]

You might start by reading through these swingarm swap threads:

http://katriders.com/vb/showthread.php?t=49985&highlight=swingarm+bushings

http://katriders.com/vb/showthread.php?t=67690&highlight=swingarm+bushings

http://katriders.com/vb/showthread.php?t=63524&highlight=swingarm+bushings

By the way, welcome to the forum. You may want to start a thread and introduce yourself here:

http://katriders.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=130

[Kreylyn]

i was wondering if i could get the specs on the spacers needed? is anyone running this set up with a 200 on a busa wheel?? if so can i see some pics?

There are a few things to consider if your going to do this mod...

First thing that popped into my mind was the axle size for the bikes your asking about.... Bearings used on these bikes 2000 (picked a year to check by... )

32X58X13 for the busa...

20X47X14 for the bandit...

So, right off the Bandit swinger is going to pose an issue for using a busa wheel. You will have to widen the slots (if there is room) for the axle on the swinger, or find 20X58X13 bearings to fit in... and work out spacers. I would guess a 5.5" and 6" rim are going to be a little different in hub width as well.. so that may make things tight with the spacers and the stock axle width for the Bandit swinger. I don't know how much the aluminum swingers will flex... if at all.

Best I can tell from the micro fiche... the spacers for the bandit swinger pivot point are 18X25X???...

The Katana swinger bolt is a 16mm OD I believe...

So, if you did the 2 outer spacers as 16X25X??? what ever their length, and then mirror that for the center spacer you would be set.

But then, don't know the difference in total width off hand for the swinger pivot point... I think someone said the Kat has one of the widest pivot points, so I think the bandit may be smaller distance? Don't know, but if it is... you could just make up any difference with the 2 outter spacers having thicker shoulders I guess. Just split the distance between them to keep the swinger centered.

Ultimately though... what is your goal? Aluminum swinger, or do you just want to fit a Busa wheel on a Kat?

Krey

[ratatunabob95]

mostly i just want the busa wheel it might just be easer to custom fab the old kat swinger to fit the busa wheel or even put the busa swinger in anyone ever done that? i tought about the jmc swap but thats a lot of cash that i could spend on other things.

[Kreylyn]

mostly i just want the busa wheel it might just be easer to custom fab the old kat swinger to fit the busa wheel or even put the busa swinger in anyone ever done that? i tought about the jmc swap but thats a lot of cash that i could spend on other things.

You would need custom adjusters to the 32mm axle for the busa wheel if you modded a Kat swinger, but it's certainly possible.

I just had a set of these made for a 28mm axle size out of solid billet aluminum.



This is how it looks mounted in...



If your interested, send me a PM and I can quote you a price for a post swinger modded and the adjusters. That way you have an idea of costs to compare by for your options.

Krey

[nealy212]

yeah i know i deffinatly want thos adjusters too haha,, i got my exhaust today,, happy as hell

[Tmod]

But then, don't know the difference in total width off hand for the swinger pivot point... I think someone said the Kat has one of the widest pivot points, so I think the bandit may be smaller distance? Don't know, but if it is... you could just make up any difference with the 2 outter spacers having thicker shoulders I guess. Just split the distance between them to keep the swinger centered.
Krey

The Bandit 1200 swingarm is narrower than the swingarm you sent my by 10mm across the pivot tube. Also it is about 20mm shorter from c/l axle pivot to beginning of axle slot.

Tmod

[ratatunabob95]

is that a stock kat swinger or was it widend? what did u use?

im going to go with a 92 gix 750 wheel just got a call back $200 for tne front end and rear wheel(no front wheel but i have 1)

[Tmod]

is that a stock kat swinger or was it widend? what did u use?

im going to go with a 92 gix 750 wheel just got a call back $200 for tne front end and rear wheel(no front wheel but i have 1)

I don't have it on my bike, Was just giving Krey some dimensions as I have a 1200 Bandit Swingarm here.

Tmod

[Kreylyn]

is that a stock kat swinger or was it widend? what did u use?

im going to go with a 92 gix 750 wheel just got a call back $200 for tne front end and rear wheel(no front wheel but i have 1)

That is a Modified Katana swingarm, from a post Kat.

You have a few options of pre-made chain adjusters for the 92 wheel... it's a 20mm axle.

I've made a few of them now. I have a pre-600 swinger mostly done to fit a 92 GSXR 600 wheel right now, and 2 more post swingers I'll be doing to fit that as well on their way to me.\

This is a pre 750 swinger I did as well... before/after.



Krey

[KatanaGSX92]

I'm curious - when you go to a larger wheel, don't you have chain alignment issues? Seems to me you would need to add some type of spacer on the front sprocket to properly align it to the rear sprocket... Is there even enough room on the front sprocket shaft to add a spacer?

I've thought about a wider wheel for my Kat but wasn't sure if it would cause other issues.

[Kreylyn]

I'm curious - when you go to a larger wheel, don't you have chain alignment issues? Seems to me you would need to add some type of spacer on the front sprocket to properly align it to the rear sprocket... Is there even enough room on the front sprocket shaft to add a spacer?

I've thought about a wider wheel for my Kat but wasn't sure if it would cause other issues.

That would depend on the wheel and how large you go. I had no issues with my 5.5 wheel.

If you did need to adjust, you have about 5mm clearance to space it out.

Krey

[KatanaGSX92]

That would depend on the wheel and how large you go. I had no issues with my 5.5 wheel.

If you did need to adjust, you have about 5mm clearance to space it out.

Krey

I wonder though...even though you didn't have any noticible problems, the alignment has to be off a bit with the larger wheel. The rear sprocket is certainly not in the same place in relation to the front sprocket as on a stock rim. Perhaps the only result is shortened chain life - which wouldn't be that bad, I guess. Just thinking out loud here...

[Kreylyn]

I wonder though...even though you didn't have any noticible problems, the alignment has to be off a bit with the larger wheel. The rear sprocket is certainly not in the same place in relation to the front sprocket as on a stock rim. Perhaps the only result is shortened chain life - which wouldn't be that bad, I guess. Just thinking out loud here...

I'm not sure what you mean by "noticible" problems... are you assuming I just slapped this all together, stepped back, cracked open a bud... bumped elbows with someone and said "Yeah.. looks good, that will work close enogh..."?



Lets try this again...

I modified the swinger, mounted it up... measured, tested... checked the alignment. It's in alignment using an early 90s GSXR wheel.

So you tell me.... Where the chain is between the inner fender, and the frame... is it out of whack?



I have over 7k miles on the vortex aluminum sprocket and RK chain, and have yet to need to adjust the chain and the sprocket shows no wear.... (parts put on new right after the wheel mod)...

I'm not getting the issue here I guess.

Care to share some specific information that would explain?

Krey

[Waltari]

I installed an RF900 swingarm and a 5.5" rear rim on my old 95 GSXF and had no alignment issues either.