[Kreylyn]

Same here from me to you. Oh well, life goes on.

Krey

[Nero]

Regardless of how you pass a pick up truck...when they ATTEMPT TO KILL you with their truck...they are in the wrong.

You are correct indeed, but I'd rather be alive than be right.

[loudnlow7484]

You are correct indeed, but I'd rather be alive than be right.

If you were ahead of somebody that already proved they were willing to kill you, would you not go as fast as possible to make sure they couldn't catch you? And if you were a friend of said person, who was still behind the truck, would you not try to keep up in case you were needed to prevent something from happening? I can't say I would have done anything different, can you? Two guys were separated by the truck..... I would likely be concerned about my friend on the other side of the truck, no matter which side I was on. In full self-preservation mode it would be easy for the front rider to leave him in the dust, or the back rider to flip around and go the other way, but that would leave the other guy on his own. Not sure I could/would do that.

[Wild-Bill]

You are correct indeed, but I'd rather be alive than be right.

[Irish]

+1000
live to argue .You put any size cage against any motorcycle i'd always put my money on the cager winning .Knowing that ,take your picks to the law and not to the knuckle dragger.Intent is 9/10th the law.Being a dumb a$$ is what 99%of the jails were made for .The other 1% is a smartass being a dumb ***.
Just my thoughts

[Nero]

If you were ahead of somebody that already proved they were willing to kill you, would you not go as fast as possible to make sure they couldn't catch you? And if you were a friend of said person, who was still behind the truck, would you not try to keep up in case you were needed to prevent something from happening? I can't say I would have done anything different, can you? Two guys were separated by the truck..... I would likely be concerned about my friend on the other side of the truck, no matter which side I was on. In full self-preservation mode it would be easy for the front rider to leave him in the dust, or the back rider to flip around and go the other way, but that would leave the other guy on his own. Not sure I could/would do that.

Everything you said was very valid, and given the circumstances, I'm not sure I would have done differently, but with one difference; I wouldn't turn a twisty farm road full of rednecks into my own personal race track in the first place. Two things I noticed on the video that perhaps you did not; lots of bikes zipping by and an angry redneck griping about 'crotch rockets' doing their thing. I am NOT defending the redneck and can only hope he's now in jail for attempted murder or wreckless driving, bare minimum, but I did say and do believe you can do things to increase your risks of these kinds of run-ins. Can we look at this holistically and think maybe that nutcase was set-off by previous rider actions on those same roads? I am NOT DEFENDING the redneck, but I think there may be more to this story.

I get mired in traffic all the time. It's a way of life here as it is in most big cities. Motorcyclists pull all kinds of stupid maneuvers here because they think laws don't apply to them, and occasionally, a cager takes offense to it. I watched last week as one moved over to block a motorcycle from getting past in the emergency lane. I was riding with my GF last month when a guy on a CBR600 zipped around her at over 100 in a 45 and pulled in front of her at a merge point, almost sending her off the road. I felt for sure she was going to get out of the car and beat the pizz of the guy at the light - and I would have helped her and parted his bike out on Ebay.

Also, they stopped and got into an argument with a guy that already displayed he had the propensity for extreme violence. Do you believe that was a wise choice? He could have easilly ran the first guy over as he sat on his bike. He also reached in and got a tire iron, and it could have easily been an AK-47. The real sh*tty thing is, he could have shot them both, lawyered-up and claimed self-d because he felt fear because he was being ganged-up on, and would have had a reasonable chance of winning with a good lawyer, haircut, bath and a tic-tac.

One thing I can guarantee: Virtually no one is going to be out to kill you if you take your racing to the track and ride casually and safely on public roads, and follow the law. -Risk management.

[loudnlow7484]

Two things I noticed on the video that perhaps you did not; lots of bikes zipping by and an angry redneck griping about 'crotch rockets' doing their thing. I am NOT defending the redneck and can only hope he's now in jail for attempted murder or wreckless driving, bare minimum, but I did say and do believe you can do things to increase your risks of these kinds of run-ins. Can we look at this holistically and think maybe that nutcase was set-off by previous rider actions on those same roads? I am NOT DEFENDING the redneck, but I think there may be more to this story.

Of course there is more to the story. It's obvious from posts in local forums that this is a common place to ride..... and of course where there are 100 guys on sportbikes, there will be at least 60 that ride like complete dix. Can this make somebody angry? Of course. Should this make somebody angry enough to murder somebody?!?! I hope not.

I used to get really irritated when I lived on a quiet street in a small city, because HOG riders would rip down my street with their straight pipes, setting off my car alarm and waking me up. Did it make me angry? Sure. Did it make me angry enough that I wanted to jump in the car, chase them down, and steal their ignition key so they would have to push that 800lb lump home? Absolutely. Did I ever try to kill one of them? No way. No reasonably sane (and I use that loosely) person would do that.

Sure, having a bunch of bikes zipping past your house in the quiet country could be irritating, but that's all. Having neighbors that throw house parties and keep their music up way too loud is irritating too, but people don't usually go ape-s**t with a tire iron because of it.

I'm not saying the riders are all 100% correct. I think it's only common courtesy to slow it down where there are houses, and it's obvious that not all riders do that. That said, what the riders were doing deserved a strong sigh and some rolled eyes, and maybe a monosyllable uttered under his breath, but certainly not vehicular manslaughter.

[5forty2]

Eff'd up situation all the way around, but that guy needs to spend a few nights in jail at the very least.

[Nero]

Agreed, LnL. Agreed. I will shamefully admit I reacted harshly to a road rager years ago (like 1989, I think). He was driving like an absolute maniac, cutting people off left and right. I followed him to his apartment complex with my friend and we left a note on his car, telling him he drove like an azzhole.

I know that doesn't sound like we reacted badly, but we left the note with a car key, not pen and paper.

[itssmeebtchs]

yeah, I run into people like this on a daily basis.. on the bike or in a car.. there are always *******s out there.. so its you job as a rider not to ride like a dick and share the road too.. people dont like being cut off ona single lane road.. wait till your in a safe passing position and then do it.. dont just zip by a person.. if it was some old lady that got nervous and jerked the wheel that would be the end of the rider.. but it was some douche redneck in a pick-up truck.. either way..

[decdrummer]

I love it when my fellow southerners claim they "been here my whole life, I can do what I want"......well jeth rowe, so did I, so have some damn respect! You always hear this type of arguments up at the dragstrip in town, just glad the guys are ok, I'd love to see part II of the video, the aftermath when the cops showed up.

[Kreylyn]

So.... your girlfriend gets a bit drunk and is walking down the street (illegal public intoxication) so it's okay for the guy who's tired of putting up with drunks on his street to teach her a lesson and have is way with her right?

I mean, she should have known better, and not been breaking the law! It's partly her fault.









Or you could quit looking for ways to blame the victims...

Jus sayn.

Krey

[bigredkatana]

This video is great, completely confirms why i ride with a tazer in my back bag and a 8" blade in my boot /shrug

[Jeff_92_600]

Most people in Toronto anyways are brave till you walk up to their window.... I was passing a car doing 10 under and he swerved out to get me and 2 min later hes behind me giving me the finger at a light so I walk up to his window and ask if he could explain the gesture and he decided that it might be a good idea to leave. Good thing cause I'm not to sure what I would have done

[Nero]

So.... your girlfriend gets a bit drunk and is walking down the street (illegal public intoxication) so it's okay for the guy who's tired of putting up with drunks on his street to teach her a lesson and have is way with her right?

I mean, she should have known better, and not been breaking the law! It's partly her fault.









Or you could quit looking for ways to blame the victims...

Jus sayn.

Krey

Settle down. No one here has blamed the 'victim' here.