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    Pre 98 600:

    Yoshi header (nitros222)
    Notes:
    Mod needed to belly pan.

    98+ Yoshi 750
    Notes:
    Same as above

    98+ Stock 600 exhaust
    Notes:
    Mod required to clear oil pan. (dent collector or use 98+ pan)

    98+ Stock 750 exhaust (waltri/ Cyber poet)
    Notes:
    Mod required to clear oil pan. (dent collector or use 98+ pan)

    Pre 98 750:

    98+ exhaust (a few incuding CP)
    Notes:
    Same as for 600 install above

    98+ 600:

    Bandit 600 header (beekman)
    Notes:
    Center stand needs removing.
    Trim belly pan

    98+ 750:
    Bandit 1200
    (results to follow.. inprogress)

    1100:
    86-89 ZX-7 Muzzy full System.
    Notes:
    Outside pipes require a little spreading (3/8")
    Can matches stock mounts.

    Pre 92 GSXR header

    Formula: (Cyber Poet)
    For the mathamaticly bold:
    Example (values not absolute, just plucked out of the air):
    Stock 98+ Kat 600 header: 23mm diameter
    Stock 98+ Kat 750 header: 26mm diameter.

    Area = Pi (radius^2)
    Radius = 1/2 diameter
    Thus
    Area = Pi ((.5 (diameter))^2)

    For the 600, the formula would go like this:
    Area (square mm) = 3.14 * (1/2 * 23)^2
    Area = 3.14 * (11.5)^2
    Area = 3.14 * 123.25
    Area = 415 square millimeters

    For the 750 exhaust by comparison:
    Area (square mm) = 3.14 * (1/2 * 26)^2
    Area = 3.14 * (13)^2
    Area = 3.14 * 169
    Area = 530.6 square millimeters

    One more formula to compare the two cross-sections (and therefore the flow rates):
    ((new/old)-1) * 100 = percent change
    ((530/415) -1) * 100 = % change
    ((1.277)-1) * 100 = % change
    .277 * 100 = % change
    27.7% change

    (For those of you who want to jump my case about subtracting one and multiplying by 100 as incorrect math -- I simplified the whole percentage thing down [KISS] for those poor at math).

    Thus, the 750 header flows 27.7% more than the 600 header. That's a substancial difference, enough to warrant serious jetting changes under most circumstances. A jump to an 1100 exhaust may induce an even bigger change, one that will take a lot of experimentation to come up with the right jetting for...

    On the other hand, simply grinding out the welding seam lip on the same 600 header will net you a couple more mm of clearance on the exhaust, giving you about a 15 - 20% flow change for the cost of a couple dremel grinding accessories (provided you already have the dremel or equivilent).

    ONE BIG NOTE:
    Back pressure at low RPM's causes the engine to produce substancially more torque; this same back pressure at higher RPM's works against the engine's ability to flow large quantities of exhaust. Thus, it's a trade-off, and depends on where you want to make the power. For a more detailed discussion of back-pressure and how it affects torque/hp/power, see this thread: http://www.katriders.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2400
    Last edited by Black_peter; 03-30-2009, 04:14 PM.

  • #2
    Wow , has this never been stickied ?
    I am a fluffy lil cuddly lovable bunny , dammit !



    Katrider's rally 2011 - md86

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    • #3
      NOPE!

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      • #4
        I guess I don't rate...

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        • #5
          I'LL sticky it !
          I am a fluffy lil cuddly lovable bunny , dammit !



          Katrider's rally 2011 - md86

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          • #6
            Originally posted by md86
            I'LL sticky it !
            oh really???

            It's now stickified.

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            • #7
              What's the point?? Hey I had a Yoshi installed on my pre98...no mod needed...let the pipe naturally melt the belly pan...now it clears....
              Good judgement comes from experience, and often experience comes from Bad Judgement :smt084
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              • #8
                Yoshi makes a header for 98+ 750s? Do you have to special order one?
                Originally posted by AbeezieSoNeezie

                fact: a yammie is a girls bike
                fact: more that one girl rides yammies therefore yammies = a bunch of girls
                fact: girls lie

                therefore, the following equation is true.
                girls = yammah
                yammah = a bunch of liars

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Phoenix_Rising
                  Yoshi makes a header for 98+ 750s? Do you have to special order one?
                  They did. Then they discontinued them in early '03 IIRC.

                  /kiba
                  find / -name "*your base*" -exec chown us:us {} \;

                  You must realize that someday you will die-until you know that, you are useless

                  If you can't make it fit with a sledge hammer, don't force it!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by WildKat
                    Originally posted by md86
                    I'LL sticky it !
                    oh really???

                    It's now stickified.
                    See , it worked !
                    I am a fluffy lil cuddly lovable bunny , dammit !



                    Katrider's rally 2011 - md86

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by kiba
                      Originally posted by Phoenix_Rising
                      Yoshi makes a header for 98+ 750s? Do you have to special order one?
                      They did. Then they discontinued them in early '03 IIRC.

                      /kiba
                      I guess I'll have to go hunting for one unless they won't fit on the '05
                      Originally posted by AbeezieSoNeezie

                      fact: a yammie is a girls bike
                      fact: more that one girl rides yammies therefore yammies = a bunch of girls
                      fact: girls lie

                      therefore, the following equation is true.
                      girls = yammah
                      yammah = a bunch of liars

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                      • #12
                        Re: Exhaust Exchange list (draft)

                        Originally posted by Black_peter
                        [Thus, the 750 header flows 27.7% more than the 600 header. That's a substancial difference, enough to warrant serious jetting changes under most circumstances. A jump to an 1100 exhaust may induce an even bigger change, one that will take a lot of experimentation to come up with the right jetting for...
                        BP, this is what i thought. when i bolted the 750 header onto my 600 i installed dynojet 120's - which his recommended for an AFTERMARKET header. when i had my bike dyno'd it was running too rich. i talked to the owner - engine builder ( EDR performance ) he told me that it is still a stock header and the collection tubes are not OPTIMAL like a true aftermarket header would be. he also stated that a bigger header doesn't always mean you need more fuel - it can just make the present tuning setup more efficient.

                        i'm currently running 118's and think it's a bit rich still.


                        if you have a jetkit w/ an aftermarket filter - you probably wouldn't need and jetting changes if you put the 750 header on.

                        tim

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                        • #13
                          Man I was looking for this thread like two weeks ago and couldn't seem to find it in a search. Good Info. However if the Bandit 600 Header fits the 600 and the 1200 Fits the 750 98+ then will the 1200 header also fit the 600?

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                          • #14
                            it is about time we get some of this great info stickied
                            TDA Racing/Motorsports
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                            Who knows what is next?
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                            Please look at this build! http://katriders.com/vb/showthread.php?t=91192

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                            • #15
                              As I recall this was your idea Thom!!
                              When are you gonna do one?!?

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