[marvy1974]

I do it all the time you just gotta have the rpm up high and it pratically jumps into the next gear.........really good for racing

[bhppy101]

WoW!!

I see that this debate will go on forever.... I guess to each his own. Its almost as bad as the counter steering debate!...LOL

Just FYI to all... I have used clutchless shifting on all my bikes (WAYYY Too many bikes to count) for thousands upon thousands of miles without any tranny failure whatsover.

Be safe and Happy Riding

[ThAzKat]

no debate here, I even do clutchless runs on the dyno. I agree about the smoothness

[loudnlow7484]

It is a never-ending debate. Epic, along the lines of "America vs Canada", "Gun Control" and "Wheelies on a Kat"

[Tsunami]

You have to be running a BUNCH of nitrous to pull that kind of number from a 600.

To get a bike to drop from ~12.4 to 10.4 in the 1/4 requires you to just about double it's power. So you have to be pushing maybe 120-130 hp out of that poor motor!

I'd take 4:1 odds that the motor, being juiced like that every week, wouldn't last 2 full seasons. It might not make it one full season.... but the odds would have to be changed.

i cant find that 10.44 slip but here is a 10.88 i spun my tire hard in 2nd gear when i hit the nos so i had to back out a little and yes i run a 75 hp shot of nos and it dosnt really hurt the engine as much as you might think i just had it in the shop for a tuneup and they said everything looked fine i also run 140 octane race gas just so you know.

[tone]

Ive only just found this thread, ive seen the debate run to 30+ pages on other sites & what it comes down to in the end is personal choice & confidance in your ability to do it right

For the record i change without the clutch when i feel like it or if i'm in a bit of a race with someone but mostly i do use the clutch

What most people dont realise is that if you are accelerating hard throught the gears you dont fully depress the clutch anyway, you just give it a little dab which is enough to unload the gearbox & allow a smooth shift, take notice next time you are out riding & you will see what i mean, shutting the throttle fully to change without the clutch does the same thing the problems arise when you get it wrong

Second & fifth gears are what go on these engines if severly abused & its about 15 hours labour + parts to change them if all goes to plan the 25 hours quoted above is to give the mechanic some leeway to sort any unseen problems he may encounter

oh yes ive done a few btw in case you were wondering

[Gordon]

Wow, this was just a question. It sounds like both sides were covered. I will never ask this questions again.

Is it over yet!

[Kattie]

From my expierence...I had a dirtbike with a broken clutch cable and i just couldnt wait to buy one to ride...so i shifted it w/o the clutch for a few days and it was fine but one day my brother was riding it and i watched him take it up through the back yard haulin a** and he down shifted,grabbed a gear and pulled it up on a wheelie and the rear sproket broke clean off...and took the bolt holes and part of the rear wheel with it...lol so no i always use a clutch when riding.

[Thomas Dylan]

Don't go clutchless from 1st to 2nd, though, unless your last name is Rossi, or you don't mind replacing gears. The long throw from 1st to 2nd will cause, eventually, some missed shifts. And a good few HARD missed shifts will trash your 2nd gear.

Rossi would have a kill switch on his shifter. Use the clutch.

[jlozano7]

oh yeah

som one has a signature around here that is tru about Clutchless shifting "Shifting without using the clutch is like fu**ing a hooker without a condom, You can do it, But bad thing are gonna happen!"

amen to that brother, amen to that

[Dee Dub]

Clutchless upshifts all the time here. Many miles, many years...not one transmission...
Do it right, and you will too!

Preload the lever, and a small blip to the throttle and you're in gear.
Only do it from 2nd up...

Save your clutch!

[BLACKDEATH]

Rossi would have a kill switch on his shifter. Use the clutch.

I forget bikes dont normally have that. Ive had one for so long now that I think of it as standard equipment.

As far as clutchless upshifts. ive got 50k on the tranny. Had to rebuild the motor at 37 due to a spun bearing in the counterballancer. But the tranny still runs good. Then again its not a Katana tranny. IDK how a katana would hold up.

[ct3]

som one has a signature around here that is tru about Clutchless shifting "Shifting without using the clutch is like fu**ing a hooker without a condom, You can do it, But bad thing are gonna happen!"

LMFAO!!!!!

[MainSt.Saint005]

is it that hard for you to use ur clutch and save the hassle of fixing what your gonna break

[ThAzKat]

is it that hard for you to use ur clutch and save the hassle of fixing what your gonna break

Did you read this whole thread??
this thread is over rated just like clutch shifting!
If you understand the mechanicals of the transmission you will understand that nothing will get hurt by not using the clutch and your clutch plates will love ya for it!

just my 2 cents yet again!