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**Anonymous** · 04-28-2006, 11:02 AM

ok locking a rear tire doesnt help you stop any faster and only flat spots your tire. why do you think the invented antilock brakes on cars cause when the wheels lock you have no control and cant steer. and no lettting off the rear brake and getting back on it isnt a bad idea kinda like antilock brakes now im sure some one else will say im wrong but i ride in las vegas on some of the slickest streets in america it dont rain here so the oil and stuff never washes off. so ive have my tires break loose all the time and its either let off the brake and regain control or eat the assend of the car in front of you 8)

**Fingers** · 04-28-2006, 11:15 AM

Originally posted by Sin

and no lettting off the rear brake and getting back on it isnt a bad idea

Sounds like an excellent recipe for a highside.

**Anonymous** · 04-28-2006, 11:20 AM

Originally posted by Fingers

Originally posted by Sin

and no lettting off the rear brake and getting back on it isnt a bad idea

Sounds like an excellent recipe for a highside.

yeah only if the bike is sideways then you dont wanna let go but in a striaght line normal riding its not gonna do it . thats always excepttions to the rules. now if the bike is sideways and the rear wheel is lock 99% of the time your already on the ground or damn close to it

also fingers ive been riding for close to 13years now and have never highside due to lock the rear wheel and letting it go. so just curious that your kat is your 2nd bike how much riding exp do you have???

**Fingers** · 04-28-2006, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by Sin

also fingers ive been riding for close to 13years now and have never highside due to lock the rear wheel and letting it go. so just curious that your kat is your 2nd bike how much riding exp do you have???

No need to attack my inexperience (which I wholeheartedly agree with you on).

I'm just saying, if you are sliding with the ass end out, catching instant traction can only result in one thing, and it won't be pretty.

**Jax** · 04-28-2006, 11:42 AM

Ok I think I'll chime in on this because what about down shifting too quickly...I've noticed a few times I down shifted too early and the back tire sounds like it locks up for a sec then releases once it is at a lower rpm...no siding but it happens...

**WildKat** · 04-28-2006, 11:43 AM

Locking up the rear tire is part of the training and experience you need to be an effective rider. Not necessarily doing it with regularity, because you do stop quicker when you dont lock it up..but rather if you do end up in a situation where you lock up the back end either by accident or on purpose, just simply knowing how to handle it will save your butt more often than not.

If you are going sideways, which can happen if ur not careful with locking up the back tire, you definately dont wanna get off the brake then lock it up again...but on a straight line as Sin mentioned you can "normally" just ride it out.

**Anonymous** · 04-28-2006, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by Fingers

Originally posted by Sin

also fingers ive been riding for close to 13years now and have never highside due to lock the rear wheel and letting it go. so just curious that your kat is your 2nd bike how much riding exp do you have???

No need to attack my inexperience (which I wholeheartedly agree with you on).

I'm just saying, if you are sliding with the ass end out, catching instant traction can only result in one thing, and it won't be pretty.

wasnt attacking jsut asking sometime people dont fill out there profiles hell you could have been soem older guy thats been riding for 40yrs whom had alot more exp then me just makeing sure i wasnt wrong on being over confidnet in my own luck

**Black_peter** · 04-28-2006, 11:49 AM

Easy guys..
First off the rear end shouldn't step out enough to high side you.
No more than a few inches.

My suggestion:
Follow Wildkat's advice..
Lock your tire up in a safe parking lot to get used to it.
The kat has a lot of power back there..

Jax:
That is a lock up. sort of..
The engine is asking the tire to spin slower than the road..
So the tire slips. Not a real lock up (zero RPM)
more a torque up the tire speed is at 60 feet per sec.
(40 mph)Engine wants to slow it to 40 FPS.. (30 mph)

**Fingers** · 04-28-2006, 12:12 PM

One of the excersizes in my MSF was to lock up the rear just to see how it feels, but we were very clearly instructed to keep it upright, and to keep on it NO MATTER WHAT.

Personally, I think that judgement according to road conditions and bike lean is much more indicative of how your bike will react to regained traction.

Nevertheless, ride safe

**woody** · 04-28-2006, 12:17 PM

humm locking up the rear tire.. i do it alot out of bordem.. but then again im crazy best advice i can give about it is hold on the frame with your legs and keep your bars stright...

and don't do it on new tires...

scares the shit out of people cause of the squeling sound and what not..

but ermm yea

**macgyver** · 04-28-2006, 12:27 PM

i have locked my rear tire up only once on my kat out on route 30. the car in front of me stopped suddenly and i got on the brakes a little to hard and the rear wheel locked up. the little bit i was sliding though i was comfortable and the bike just kept going in a straight line. i just let off the rear a little and went harder on the front and stopped with no problem. it was actually kinda fun being that i was sliding right through a intersection and i know about 5 cars probably saw me goes past rear wheel locked and all.

**JohnE1000** · 04-28-2006, 12:34 PM

Originally posted by Jax

Ok I think I'll chime in on this because what about down shifting too quickly...I've noticed a few times I down shifted too early and the back tire sounds like it locks up for a sec then releases once it is at a lower rpm...no siding but it happens...

It happens because the engin speed does not match the wheel speed. You need to blib the throtle before downshifting to bring the engin speed to the wheel speed.

**The CyberPoet** · 04-28-2006, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by Fingers

One of the excersizes in my MSF was to lock up the rear just to see how it feels, but we were very clearly instructed to keep it upright, and to keep on it NO MATTER WHAT

I think it's a good technique for beginning riders where you (as the instructor) have no clue what they'll be riding in the future. But as an advanced rider, I know when I lock-up my rear (or am about to) and will back off it enough to let it start turning some again -- because I want the braking action at the brakes, not at the tire/road interface.

Cheers,
=-= The CyberPoet

**Yellow2002Kat** · 04-28-2006, 02:02 PM

I've never locked up my rear wheel unintentionally. If you do lock it up again, ride it out and try to stay straight as an arrow. You'll be OK. Practice quick stops in a parking lot (or somewhere safe) as soon as you have some free time. Once you get the quick stop down you'll probably never lock either wheel by accident again - no matter what the situation. Ride safe and try to remember to never "grab" or "stomp" on the brakes - "squeeze" and "press" the breaks and be sure your legs are tightly pressed against your tank while doing so. Using this technique will ensure the shortest possible stopping distance.

Lastly, if you're approaching a yellow at speed and a cage is up your butt, I say proceed through the yellow. The people waiting at the red light usually don't get the green until ~ 3 seconds after the light has changed red on your side. It may be a little risky, but less risky than stopping short in front of a car IMHO.

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