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  • XADO - Snake Oil Again?

    In trying to find the chemical/manufacturing basis for some European knee/hip protector materials, I stumbled across a Russian technology firm that has patented a method of advanced snake oil additive (oil-additive) that may actually work as desired... Unlike any other oil additive I've examined over the years, this one makes some sense from a chemical and structural perspective.

    Maybe some of you would like to poke into the data and come up with your impressions?
    The US website: http://www.xadoshop.com/
    The US patent on the stuff: US PTO search results for patent #6,423,669.

    As far as I can tell, the stuff is nano-meter fine metals in a serpentine (the natural form of absestos) or other lattice-work mineral carrier with some ceramic properties. As it heats and get pressurized (by mechanical or combustion action), the lattice work of the serpentine breaks down and washes away (or embeds as well?), leaving the metal-ceramic mix embedded into the surface of the wear components and heat-bonding it there. The resultant composition (at least based on the patent claims) should be both significantly harder and lower-friction generating than the base metals it covers. I wouldn't doubt that this is the same basic technology behind nikasil coatings and their equivilent, except in this product (as marketed) it occurs within the engine itself rather than at time of production.

    The only real problems I can see with it are:
    (A) the activation temp of many of these products is so high that they would only occur in certain areas (i.e. - the combustion chamber), and
    (B) No mention of wet-clutch interaction issues (although there is a warning against use in automatic transmissions, which also use wet-clutches).

    If I had an old beater engine to test it on, I certainly would want to... They also make it for gun barrels and other metal parts... hmmm...

    Discuss...

    Cheers,
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  • #2
    I'd do it but it's too much work ...warm engine put this there then do this... ...a bottle of snake oil in the oil and your done...
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    • #3
      Hmmm...interesting. I wonder if XADO Moto can be used in 4 stroke motorcycle engines.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Kat-A-Tonic
        Hmmm...interesting. I wonder if XADO Moto can be used in 4 stroke motorcycle engines.
        I did send them an email asking about wet-clutch applications. If they respond, I'll post it up.

        Cheers,
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        • #5
          Their response to my wet-clutch question:

          Originally posted by [email protected]

          CyberPoet, thanks for asking. Yes our product is compatible with the wet clutchs. Our motoroil 10W -60 meets the standards of the JASO MA. If you were to use our product I would recommend you use the treatment for gasoline engines or the 10W- 60 oil. If I can answer anymore questions please email me or you can call at 1-888-399-9090 talk to me or my boss Justin

          Seana Orman
          Administrative Assistant
          XADO USA,LC
          In response to my original email:
          Dear Sir or Madam,

          We stumbled across your XADO product line by accident while looking for the patent holders to certain protective materials used in motorcycle racing applications. In examining both the patent and the products offered, we came across one major question that was never addressed in any of the website or patent information:
          Is this product compatible with motorcycle wet-clutch applications where the clutch- and friction-plates sit in the same motor oil as the engine uses for lubrication of the cylinders? Use of motor oils containing friction modifiers (API SJ/SL/SM rated oils) is specifically not permitted in such applications, and we were wondering about the advisability of using your product in such a situation.


          Cheers,
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          • #6
            Hey CP, thanks for doing the legwork. If this stuff works it looks like it would be worth doing.
            "The secret to life is to keep your mind full and your bowels empty. Unfortunately, the converse is true for most people."

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            • #7
              PTFE, zinc dialkyldithiophosphate or cleaners like naphthalene, xylene or isopropanol - nothing will replace a well maintained motor. follow the scheduled maintenance chart & skip the 'snake oils'.

              imo
              tim

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              • #8
                Originally posted by trinc
                PTFE, zinc dialkyldithiophosphate or cleaners like naphthalene, xylene or isopropanol - nothing will replace a well maintained motor. follow the scheduled maintenance chart & skip the 'snake oils'.

                imo
                tim
                I agree, Tim.

                On the other hand, if it really is something tantemount to a nikasil coating (my words, not their marketing materials), I would have fairly high hopes for it as a bad-engine salvager. Since they offer the product in mutliple forms (some of which will be really easy to test, such as the gun-barrel version, and others of which are really simple to impliment, such as their JASO-MA motor oil with the stuff already integrated), I figure it's worth a peek and a poke to examine -- especially since it's the very first thing I've ever seen that actually makes chemical sense to me as something more than a cleaner or just plain snake oil...

                I'm still waiting for one of our resident chemists (do we have any, any more?) to read the patent formulation info and provide some more feedback.

                Cheers,
                =-= The CyberPoet
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                • #9
                  it 'may' help in the compression department if it can coat the cylinder but i don't see it helping the valves seat. if it has the capability to help these lower temp areas then i'd be worried about the side effects of closing down oil ports. in the testing i read about slick 50 - was just that - it seemed to help compression & fuel economy but the tests noted a drop in oil pressure. a trade off i wouldn't take.

                  tim

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by trinc
                    in the testing i read about slick 50...
                    Slick 50 is PFTE (teflon), which should NEVER be used in an engine, especially a wet-clutch engine... Didn't the FTC ban Slick 50 and it's ilk?

                    Like I said, I can't make any further comments about this stuff until I get a chance to evaluate the stuff in person, but I'm really curious what someone with a good background in chemistry will have to say about the concepts involved...

                    Cheers,
                    =-= The CyberPoet
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by The CyberPoet
                      Originally posted by trinc
                      in the testing i read about slick 50...
                      Slick 50 is PFTE (teflon), which should NEVER be used in an engine, especially a wet-clutch engine... Didn't the FTC ban Slick 50 and it's ilk?

                      Like I said, I can't make any further comments about this stuff until I get a chance to evaluate the stuff in person, but I'm really curious what someone with a good background in chemistry will have to say about the concepts involved...

                      Cheers,
                      =-= The CyberPoet
                      not a ban but they had to 'modify' their claims. i just can't see any additive working, maybe a process during the manufacturing before assembly. a wet clutch is also a big hurdle.

                      tim

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by The CyberPoet
                        Originally posted by trinc
                        PTFE, zinc dialkyldithiophosphate or cleaners like naphthalene, xylene or isopropanol - nothing will replace a well maintained motor. follow the scheduled maintenance chart & skip the 'snake oils'.

                        imo
                        tim
                        I agree, Tim.

                        On the other hand, if it really is something tantemount to a nikasil coating (my words, not their marketing materials), I would have fairly high hopes for it as a bad-engine salvager.
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