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everyone who wants to stretch their kat... i acutally found a bolt on kit!!!
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everyone who wants to stretch their kat... i acutally found a bolt on kit!!!
RIP joe iwanski ... ALWAYS MISSED, NEVER FORGOTTEN!!
RIP MARC...PEGS ARE ETERNALLY DOWN FOR YOU BROTHER
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That just looks SUPER unsafe for some reason....-Steve
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thats what i'm wondering... just not sure if it would actually be safe or not
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RIP MARC...PEGS ARE ETERNALLY DOWN FOR YOU BROTHER
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i mean, I get the concept... the extension bolt through the existing swinger... and you use your axle in the back of the "extensions."
But I would think there's quite a bit of stress on those bolts.... and a lot of flexing going on at the axle.-Steve
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i was goin to say you could just weld it in there with the bolts, for extra strength, but then i realized it was aluminum, and the swing arm is steel.... what a ***** to weld
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RIP MARC...PEGS ARE ETERNALLY DOWN FOR YOU BROTHER
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http://katriders.com/vb/showthread.php?t=105768
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bolt-on? no f*ckin way would i use that....some dumass knob would use pretty stainless bolts instead of grade 8 or 10 bolts and end up an asphalt crayon real quick....I wouldn't sell those just for the liability reasons alone, that guy has bigger balls then me evidently...or hellacious insurance....
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Originally posted by steves View PostThat just looks SUPER unsafe for some reason....
Originally posted by steves View Posti mean, I get the concept... the extension bolt through the existing swinger... and you use your axle in the back of the "extensions."
But I would think there's quite a bit of stress on those bolts.... and a lot of flexing going on at the axle.
Originally posted by Waltari View PostLooks to me like it would put a lot of pressure at the bolting point.Originally posted by airforceranger49 View Posti was goin to say you could just weld it in there with the bolts, for extra strength, but then i realized it was aluminum, and the swing arm is steel.... what a ***** to weld
Okay, either there is alot of misunderstanding about the pressures and materials that sit under the stock Kat, or most of these comments were knee jerk reactions without thinking it fully through. (no offense meant.)
There would be hardly any pressure on the bolts at all actually. The insert section is smaller than the external piece. The large bolts through the axle holes are there just to preven them from pulling out the back. The step down stops it from pulling further into the swinger. All in all, there should be very little pressure of any kind to those bolts. This exact same concept is used by your bike already with significantly smaller plates on the end.
The size of those bolts are near the size of the axle you run.... and there are 2 of them per side! I'm gonna say... chance of that being a point of failure is higher on your stock bike.
You could run extensions like that without bolting them to the swinger at all if you trust your chain enough being as the only pressure really is pulling them into the swingarm.
The external part of the extensions looks well made, and pretty much of the same thickness, if not a tad thicker than most of the newer litter bikes factory swingarms. I would expect that portion of them is perfectly fine as well.
Over all, longer will allow for more flex of the swingarm. I do not see it being any different between that type of extension properly made VS. 6-8" more of the steel tubing.
Krey93 750 Kat
Modified Swingarm, 5.5 GSXR Rear with 180/55 and 520 Chain, 750 to 600 Tail conversion, more to come. Long Term Project build thread http://katriders.com/vb/showthread.php?t=96736
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Originally posted by Kreylyn View Post
Okay, either there is alot of misunderstanding about the pressures and materials that sit under the stock Kat, or most of these comments were knee jerk reactions without thinking it fully through. (no offense meant.)
There would be hardly any pressure on the bolts at all actually. The insert section is smaller than the external piece. The large bolts through the axle holes are there just to preven them from pulling out the back. The step down stops it from pulling further into the swinger. All in all, there should be very little pressure of any kind to those bolts. This exact same concept is used by your bike already with significantly smaller plates on the end.
The size of those bolts are near the size of the axle you run.... and there are 2 of them per side! I'm gonna say... chance of that being a point of failure is higher on your stock bike.
You could run extensions like that without bolting them to the swinger at all if you trust your chain enough being as the only pressure really is pulling them into the swingarm.
The external part of the extensions looks well made, and pretty much of the same thickness, if not a tad thicker than most of the newer litter bikes factory swingarms. I would expect that portion of them is perfectly fine as well.
Over all, longer will allow for more flex of the swingarm. I do not see it being any different between that type of extension properly made VS. 6-8" more of the steel tubing.
Krey
very well said krey... so in your opinion... good buy or not?
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RIP MARC...PEGS ARE ETERNALLY DOWN FOR YOU BROTHER
"for those who have fought for it, freedom has a taste the protected will never know"
my build threads
http://katriders.com/vb/showthread.php?t=103472
http://katriders.com/vb/showthread.php?t=105768
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Krey,
I am not a Mech E... but here is my thought process.
Aluminum tube, with a steel insert.
Steel insert held by two pressure points on the chain adjuster area... so it's already thin.
Moving the real wheel back, means that you've added rotational flex on each extension from the swing arm.
Hard bolts + hard insert on soft swingarm = torn swingarm.
You also aren't adding the welds that would give extra rigidity with a welded solution.
IMO this is fine if you are going to ride the bike down to the corner store for coffee and then home again, but for anything else you should consider just getting the correctly made long swinger.-Steve
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Originally posted by airforceranger49 View Postvery well said krey... so in your opinion... good buy or not?
- Easy to install, no need to remove stock swingarm.
- No need for major modifications to the stock swingarm.
- Easily converted back to stock.
Cost wise your looking about the same as doing steel extensions for say a busa wheel, due to the size of the axle and need for custom adjusters to be made. If I did a 6-8" steel tube extension and made custom adjusters for the 32mm axle... your would be looking at right around $200-$250.
Krey
Originally posted by steves View PostKrey,
I am not a Mech E... but here is my thought process.
Aluminum tube, with a steel insert.
Steel insert held by two pressure points on the chain adjuster area... so it's already thin.
Moving the real wheel back, means that you've added rotational flex on each extension from the swing arm.
Hard bolts + hard insert on soft swingarm = torn swingarm.
You also aren't adding the welds that would give extra rigidity with a welded solution.
IMO this is fine if you are going to ride the bike down to the corner store for coffee and then home again, but for anything else you should consider just getting the correctly made long swinger.
Hard bolts + hard insert on soft swingarm = torn swingarm.
You also aren't adding the welds that would give extra rigidity with a welded solution.
IMO this is fine if you are going to ride the bike down to the corner store for coffee and then home again, but for anything else you should consider just getting the correctly made long swinger.
How many street riden Katanas do you know that fit that bill though? (here is where suzukiray pops in pointing towards his garage... ) I would dare to say... Most people putting extensions on a Kat... are not for the drag strip.
Krey93 750 Kat
Modified Swingarm, 5.5 GSXR Rear with 180/55 and 520 Chain, 750 to 600 Tail conversion, more to come. Long Term Project build thread http://katriders.com/vb/showthread.php?t=96736
"I've done this a thousand times before. What could possibly go wron.... Ooops!"
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Well I don't like and here is why:
#1 The flat tire on the Ram Pickup. Guy can make billet bike parts but cant fix a tire?
#2 $200 is a lot IMO for a hillbilly set up. An engineered solution would be to use a nut plate, when ever I see carriage bolts, I think swing sets..
#3 It isn't even fitted on the Kat in the picture.. I agree with Krey that the strength of material standpoint things are OK, but wiggly stuff happens, (Cause its a wiggly world). I like to know the guy hawking the kit has had it fully installed and tested (IE driven a few hundred miles) on it. This guy doesn't even have a chain on that bike..
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Ew bolt on extensions...a lot of the Ninja guys use them, just another way to do something on a budget instead of the right way.90% of motorcycle forum members do not have a service manual for their bike.
Originally posted by BadfaerieI love how the most ignorant people I have met are the ones that fling the word "ignorant" around like it's an insult, or poo. Maybe they think it means pooOriginally posted by soulless kaosbut personaly I dont see a point in a 1000 you can get the same power from a properly tuned 600 with less weight and better handeling.
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I think it's fine. I do wish it extended up inside the swingarm a bit more (haven't looked to see if that is possible, but it would make me more comfortable if it did). There are many swingarm extensions for SS bikes that are a lot more scary looking than these.
Originally posted by Black_peter View Postwhen ever I see carriage bolts, I think swing sets..Any and all statements by Loudnlow7484 are merely his own opinions, and not necessarily the opinion of Katriders.com. Anything suggested by him is to be followed at your own risk, and may result in serious injury or death. Responses from this member have previously been attributed to all of the following: depression, insomnia, nausea, suicidal tendencies, and panic. Please consult a mental health professional before reading any post by Loudnlow7484.
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Lol, I wouldn't buy anything from an ebay auction that uses the phrase "pimp your ride"90% of motorcycle forum members do not have a service manual for their bike.
Originally posted by BadfaerieI love how the most ignorant people I have met are the ones that fling the word "ignorant" around like it's an insult, or poo. Maybe they think it means pooOriginally posted by soulless kaosbut personaly I dont see a point in a 1000 you can get the same power from a properly tuned 600 with less weight and better handeling.
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