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steves
02-09-2007, 04:34 PM
Pulled the wheels off the Bandit this afternoon... need to go pick them up.

Here's the Bandit lifted on a homemade frontstand.

Directions here: http://www.mad-ducati.com/images/ChrisEdwards/HMFS_R1.html

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l298/steve2947/Bandito/lift001Medium-1.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l298/steve2947/Bandito/lift003Medium.jpg

Seems to work okay. Used ratchet straps to lift the bike. Started with two, one on either side of the triple tree. Then just did two clicks on each side until the wheel was off the ground.

Then added two more straps just in case...

IForgotMyUserName2
02-09-2007, 04:43 PM
thats sweet. to bad i dont have the money to do that right now i could really use it. im gettin new tires soon and wanted to take my tires off so they are cheaper to have installed but dont know how to keep the bike off the ground? i wonder if i could save on getting tiresd installed on what it would cost to build this....

steves
02-09-2007, 05:29 PM
$40-50 in materials cost. Some plans I've seen used 3/4" pipe instead of 1". I used the 1" since in theory it should be stronger.

The shop I use charges $60/hr labor.... 2 hours to change the tires if you bring the bike in. They charged me 1 hour of labor to mount & balance the tires.

So, overall savings for one job was like $20, but I can use it again.

Also know that sometimes if you buy tires from the shop, they will cut you a deal on mounting/balancing them.

IForgotMyUserName2
02-09-2007, 07:40 PM
$40-50 in materials cost. Some plans I've seen used 3/4" pipe instead of 1". I used the 1" since in theory it should be stronger.

The shop I use charges $60/hr labor.... 2 hours to change the tires if you bring the bike in. They charged me 1 hour of labor to mount & balance the tires.

So, overall savings for one job was like $20, but I can use it again.

Also know that sometimes if you buy tires from the shop, they will cut you a deal on mounting/balancing them.

i actually bought my tires from ronayers.com and they came in today. if i were to go ahead and buy all this stuff and took off the wheels and took them in would there be anything i woudl need to do after getting them installed? like balancing or alignment?

this may sound stupid but i just got my bike and i dont know to much about what it takes to get stuff like this done so please dont get mad for stupid questions. :-D

steves
02-09-2007, 08:03 PM
The shop should do the mounting and balancing as part of installing them. Call around and find out what the prices are.

The CyberPoet
02-09-2007, 08:34 PM
I've seen the actual plans for that stand floating around the VFR forums, complete with cut-lengths, shopping list, etc.

Cheers,
=-= The CyberPoet

steves
02-09-2007, 10:42 PM
I've seen the actual plans for that stand floating around the VFR forums, complete with cut-lengths, shopping list, etc.

Cheers,
=-= The CyberPoet

Links at the top of the original post. No cutting, all off the shelf parts.

JaredL
02-09-2007, 10:56 PM
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=2792

$63 US + shipping
I got one like it, it is the best tool i have ever bought!!!

Steve you did a realy nice job it looks pretty stable.

Black_Kat23
02-09-2007, 11:12 PM
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=2792

$63 US + shipping
I got one like it, it is the best tool i have ever bought!!!

Steve you did a realy nice job it looks pretty stable.

I'm going to have to get one. :D

DoubleD
02-10-2007, 12:41 AM
k - funny this comes up as I've been debating over the past 24 hours over buying this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=001&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=110086168863&rd=1,1

....which is the same price (ballpark). I've used JUST the jack stands as they appear in the picture before; and so long as you're not muscling the bike around you're OK. But to do any real work you definitely need more support to make your work more stable.

I'm going by limited experience here guys, but wouldn't the standard-type front stand be easier and (I gotta say it) look cooler than the clothesline method? 8) And during those times when you MUST have the bike battened-down like the hatches before a hurricane what about a couple of eye-hooks screwed into the ceiling studs and strap the bars to them?

(Hope I'm making sense... long week at work and I'm having a couple of CCnC's tonight) :-D

The CyberPoet
02-10-2007, 12:47 AM
A racing front stand may look cooler, but when you need to rebuild your forks, the race stand is useless.

The best stands are the ones that slip into the pivot point in the frame (close to where your feet rest in the rider's position) and lift the whole bike at the same time, but I rarely see them available for the home market, and they are expensive as all get-out.

Cheers,
=-= The CyberPoet

JaredL
02-10-2007, 12:55 AM
HEY BLACK KAT if you buy one make shure you strap it down to it, it is solid when lifted but a good bump could send it to the floor ooh and to use it you will have to take off the exhaust or make some kind of bracket...just a heads up

md86
02-10-2007, 03:49 AM
Steve you did a realy nice job it looks pretty stable.
Oh yeah , they're PLENTY stable :lol: . I used one last summer during an engine swap , just like Stevie there did . When putting the new engine in , we didn' have a jack , so looped rope around the top of the stand , tied it to a length of tube above the bike Like a trapeeze , and the engine below , and I climbed on top of the rig and STOOD on the bar and leg-pressed the engine into place . No problems . :lol:

ZukiFred
02-10-2007, 06:39 AM
Great job Steve. I made one last spring when I needed to change out my front tire. Best $50 I ever spent, and considering the last time I brought my bike in to the shop to get the tires changed they charged me $100 just for labor. So I figure it has paid for itself already..:wink:

steves
02-10-2007, 08:26 AM
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=2792

$63 US + shipping
I got one like it, it is the best tool i have ever bought!!!

Steve you did a realy nice job it looks pretty stable.

Do you have a pre? The oil pan/exhaust configuration on the pres makes it almost impossible to lift using a jack like the one you posted.

KatanaSoldier
02-10-2007, 03:26 PM
Nice, I am going to tell the wifee that I am going to build her a custom clothes rack for the basement. Then I will say, wow, I can use this for the bike too, cool :-D

arsenic
02-10-2007, 03:34 PM
Hey steves, I have a jack like that and I know what you mean about the pre's. The exhaust is already off, I'm in the process of swapping oil pans. I have other stuff to do, so can I jack it up if I take the oil pan of then lift it?

steves
02-10-2007, 05:29 PM
Nice, I am going to tell the wifee that I am going to build her a custom clothes rack for the basement. Then I will say, wow, I can use this for the bike too, cool :-D

:lmao

Hey steves, I have a jack like that and I know what you mean about the pre's. The exhaust is already off, I'm in the process of swapping oil pans. I have other stuff to do, so can I jack it up if I take the oil pan of then lift it?

I dunno. On my bandit, there's an exhaust hanger at the back of the frame. You'll probably be okay with the pan off... but I'm not really sure.

mystahagy
02-11-2007, 10:23 PM
Here's mine in action lifting the rear of the kat a long time ago. Since then it worked great when I rebuilt the forks on my TLR. I've used it MANY times for all sorts of things, such as hanging the vacuum guages from it when balancing carbs or throttle bodies.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/mystahagy/IM000963.jpg

Wingspan
02-11-2007, 10:36 PM
I always just hung my Katana from the ceiling. There are actually loops welded to the frame rails to run the straps through. The bike balances perfectly when hung at the location of the loops.

http://photos.imageevent.com/wingspan/katana/websize/hanging.jpg

koolcutta
02-12-2007, 01:32 PM
The motorcycle jacks wont work for katana at least I couldn't get mine to work. I had a craftsman jack
http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?cat=Mechanics+Tools&pid=00950190000&vertical=TOOL&subcat=Lift+Equipment&BV_UseBVCookie=Yes
but The jack requires a flat surface on the bottom and with the katana exhaust pipe in the way it was not stable plus I don't think you would want to lift the bike by the exhuast any way. But I wouldn't build on of those hanging things either just slide the jacks stands under the front part of the bikes frame while on the center stand you have yourself a front stand thats as stable as the center stand is alone. take the first picture with the bandit if he was to take the jack stand off the forks and slide them under the blue frame in front of the center stand he would no longer need the bike to be strapped up.

steves
02-12-2007, 01:42 PM
The motorcycle jacks wont work for katana at least I couldn't get mine to work. I had a craftsman jack
http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?cat=Mechanics+Tools&pid=00950190000&vertical=TOOL&subcat=Lift+Equipment&BV_UseBVCookie=Yes
but The jack requires a flat surface on the bottom and with the katana exhaust pipe in the way it was not stable plus I don't think you would want to lift the bike by the exhuast any way. But I wouldn't build on of those hanging things either just slide the jacks stands under the front part of the bikes frame while on the center stand you have yourself a front stand thats as stable as the center stand is alone. take the first picture with the bandit if he was to take the jack stand off the forks and slide them under the blue frame in front of the center stand he would no longer need the bike to be strapped up.



I wouldn't put jack stands directly on my frame, it's painted. The stands were only there for "insurance" purposes in case a strap failed.

Anonymous
02-12-2007, 01:53 PM
Mine looks exactly like yours Steves :D

suzukisportrider2004
02-12-2007, 06:20 PM
thats sweet. to bad i dont have the money to do that right now i could really use it. im gettin new tires soon and wanted to take my tires off so they are cheaper to have installed but dont know how to keep the bike off the ground? i wonder if i could save on getting tiresd installed on what it would cost to build this.... put it on the center stand take off the back tire and have some one give a hand holinf it while you remove thr front then slide the axle back in a nd slid a jackstand under it

JaredL
02-12-2007, 06:40 PM
My exhaust is off and there are pads on the lifts arms the way i jack it up the pads hit the pan and the frame i think, I had it on there for a long time and the bike showed no damage to the pan when I took the jack out

koolcutta
02-12-2007, 08:34 PM
yea I guess for a bandit you wouldn't to put the stands on the frame cuase you don't want to scratch the paint but for katana that's cover with farings no big deal. You probably could put a peice of cloth to prevent sratching but then you have to worry about sliding.

allblackkat
02-12-2007, 08:52 PM
I too have one of the floor jacks that's been mentioned (this one's from Wal-mart). Got mine for my birthday but deemed it not worth all the exhaust system removal... at least on the R1 the header pipes go directly under the bike where the best place to lift the bike up would be.... Just bought a pitbull stand today and tried it on all the bikes, it works.... It should pay for itself after a few tire changes.

kwebbel
02-25-2007, 11:57 AM
A racing front stand may look cooler, but when you need to rebuild your forks, the race stand is useless.

The best stands are the ones that slip into the pivot point in the frame (close to where your feet rest in the rider's position) and lift the whole bike at the same time, but I rarely see them available for the home market, and they are expensive as all get-out.

Cheers,
=-= The CyberPoet


Great idea Marc

Made this one after reading this, took me an hour :D

http://members.lycos.nl/thernastaff/hpbimg/bikestand.jpg

kwebbel
02-25-2007, 12:07 PM
doublepost :oops:

mystahagy
02-26-2007, 01:25 AM
Dang that homemade swingarm pivot stand is flippin sweet! Here's the one I bought awhile back for my TLR. About $220 shipped from http://www.andersonstands.com/ It's highly adjustable and I'm sure it would work on a Kat.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/mystahagy/Bike_Stand_001a.jpg

kwebbel
02-26-2007, 05:09 AM
It's not really a pivot stand, I'm using the frametube above it.
I used it to strip the frame, strapped it down to the rear (had to weld a crossbar and two extra to_the_front_pointing_bars, so it wouldn't flip over)
Apart from that it works fine, lifts the bike entirely 10" from the ground, but like I said it needs a little rework so one doesn't have to weld and cut anytime it's being used.
(If somebody wants the drawings, just PM)

steves
03-12-2007, 08:24 PM
I've got a hover bike right now.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l298/steve2947/Misc%20Kat/airkatana001Medium.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l298/steve2947/Misc%20Kat/airkatana002Medium.jpg

Everything looks okay. Been hanging like that since Saturday. I'll probably get the wheels back on one night this week.

It's easier to lift the kat from the frame. On the Bandit, I lifted from the triple clamps.

Extra straps are good!

md86
03-13-2007, 02:41 AM
I left my bike hanging like that for a couple weeks while gradually doing an engine swap . :lol: I think it'll be fine .

chinto
03-13-2007, 09:04 AM
I left my bike hanging like that for a couple weeks while gradually doing an engine swap . :lol: I think it'll be fine .

I had a bike suspended like that for about a month and a half. Only I had the front wheel still on for most of the time. when I let it down, and took it for a ride, the fork seals started to leak. Don't know if the weight of the front wheel pulling down caused it or if it was simply coincidence.

BLACKACIDEVIL
04-05-2008, 01:18 PM
I know this is an old thread but it's good one! I'm going to build one so I can paint my lower forks and swingarm. Thanks!

stingerbtry
08-30-2008, 05:54 PM
Wow I just priced out the parts for the home-made stand at my local home depot and it came out to around $150 and barely any less for 3/4"! I was even going for the cheaper material and it didn't make much difference. I don't know whether it's living in CA or the economy but I ended up just getting some wood blocks for my bike jack and am going to just make that work. Weak.

Kfreak
08-30-2008, 06:05 PM
The price of steel is up and living in CA has a lot to do with it.

loudnlow7484
08-30-2008, 08:29 PM
wow...... I've got a f**k ton of black iron pipe in my basement (scrapped it all and ran new gas lines when I moved in)..... If I could figure out how to cut and rethread it all, I could build a few of them!

Newbie2it
08-30-2008, 11:35 PM
L&L, any old style mom and pop local hardware usually has a pipe threading machine. Lowes does also. At my old hardware store, it was 50 cents a cut and thread. At Lowes I'm not sure, plumbings at the other end of the store, I am in the lumber yard

loudnlow7484
08-30-2008, 11:55 PM
L&L, any old style mom and pop local hardware usually has a pipe threading machine. Lowes does also. At my old hardware store, it was 50 cents a cut and thread. At Lowes I'm not sure, plumbings at the other end of the store, I am in the lumber yard

Hmm.... maybe I'll have to go check it out. I'll have to inventory my stuff. I know some of the pipe they pulled was galvanized, because they were talking about how it shouldn't have been mixed with black iron........

BTW- That little guy in your signature never bails off of that bike. He rides that wheelie all the way until his back is on the ground!

Newbie2it
08-31-2008, 12:18 AM
Galv pipe is a Huge problem when it comes to natural gas.... Just to get a little off topic here.

Galvanized pipe is in reality black iron pipe that had holes in it during testing and leaked. Back in the day, they would galvanize a piece of leaking pipe to fill the leak. Galv pipe was suitable for water use since the galvanic coating doesn't rust or flake away.

But since water is thicker than gas, Its recommended usage was and still is limited to a fluid vs. a gas. Especially something like natural gas. Although the galvanic process is almost thorough, there can be times when something like dust might still prevent adheresion. You shouldn't use Galv pipe for anything flammable period. The strength of the pipe is not in question as to why it now galvanized, but its ability to hold gas in is.

As for the wheelie dude, Yep... rode it till his demise :)

loudnlow7484
08-31-2008, 12:46 AM
Galv pipe is a Huge problem when it comes to natural gas.... Just to get a little off topic here.

Galvanized pipe is in reality black iron pipe that had holes in it during testing and leaked. Back in the day, they would galvanize a piece of leaking pipe to fill the leak. Galv pipe was suitable for water use since the galvanic coating doesn't rust or flake away.

But since water is thicker than gas, Its recommended usage was and still is limited to a fluid vs. a gas. Especially something like natural gas. Although the galvanic process is almost thorough, there can be times when something like dust might still prevent adheresion. You shouldn't use Galv pipe for anything flammable period. The strength of the pipe is not in question as to why it now galvanized, but its ability to hold gas in is.

As for the wheelie dude, Yep... rode it till his demise :)

Wow. I didn't think they were even similar. I thought they were completely different types of pipe. Like in exhaust piping, aluminized vs stainless, or copper vs pvc, or peanut butter vs jelly..........

Thanks for the lesson! :lol:

smokeshow81
06-22-2009, 12:04 AM
I might be able to get better prices on the sch10 1" pipe. I am a fire sprinkler apprentice and have access to untold amounts of scrap pipe and fittings.

I'll go build one and figure out the weight. Then I can see how much it would be to ship em everywhere. I'd probably charge 20buxs for the labour per kit. Hr's wage.
If you guys think it could be useful. I have access to a 300 threading machine and can set the tolerances of the thread. Also I could leave the butt fittings out of the equation and just send the pipe. You guys can get the local cast 90's and caps for cheap enough I'm guessing. That would save on the cost of the weight. Or I could tork em on and pass on the companies bill I'm guessing.

If anyone is interested lemme know or send me the link for the measurements. I have alot of time off and could use something to do

paul.miner
10-06-2009, 11:22 PM
Unlike the Kat, my ZX 750 has no center stand, no apparent place to mount one, and no good surface on the bottom to jack the bike up. Since I gotta take the front end apart, I decided to make the pipe stand:

http://www.blinkenbyte.org/misc/zx750_hanging_out.jpg

Works well! Only the center strap is needed, the other two are backups.